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Post by MarkL on Sept 18, 2004 14:22:09 GMT -5
Inter action of the characters with the setting and other characters is rather important.. its something at the base level that needs to be addressed.. going to the WoD refernce again... "the book of nod" or "the teachings of lilith" are all well and good.. but there are things WoD should have addressed first like cross over before adding these fluff books.
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Post by Louise Karczmarz on Sept 18, 2004 14:47:03 GMT -5
True enough.... in theory the core book should have covered crossover issues to begin with.... I should probably start a poll on the question, but it would take a bit more thought that one liner answers. I wouldl like to know the level of information someone would expect from a game.
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Post by MarkL on Sept 18, 2004 16:25:52 GMT -5
obviously how ablities effect others and in just example.. i realize your game doesnt have rage but nowhere does it really say how rage affects vampires or wraiths etc... this really sucks. also dont add stereotype comments like ww did in the clan/tribe pages on thier views of the other clans/tribes.. people take that too literaly.
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Post by Louise Karczmarz on Sept 18, 2004 16:44:44 GMT -5
It was somewhat of an oversight to have something that effects so many people that wasn't accurately documented.
The tribal/clan stereotypes as they were designed to be used - an overview of popular belief- wasn't a bad one. They have been applied badly in the real games quite often, but responsible players know they are only a guideline, not a rule.
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Post by MarkL on Sept 18, 2004 22:32:50 GMT -5
unfortunetly.. there is a lack of responsible players.
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Post by Dyslexic_fool on Sept 19, 2004 3:37:42 GMT -5
Well, we are planning on letting people know about racial stereotype interaction, but I think the important thing is to stress that these are guidelines only, but having said that, someone who dissagrees with a stereotype wildly, may curry disfavour from their peers, and in some cases be commiting religeous Heresy
I think these stereotypes are important to point out, as long as they are not too narrow, I think that is where WoD went wrong, they orriganally used one scentance on each clan/tribe about each other clan/tribe and they therefore managed to pigeon hole everything into a tiny box, leaving literal translation of stereotypes to create silly characters and situations often
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Post by MarkL on Sept 19, 2004 6:56:54 GMT -5
maybe the idea of expressing racial's in a full paragraph might be a good idea and sort of sidestep stereotypes so people can maybe form thier own.
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Post by Louise Karczmarz on Sept 19, 2004 7:01:43 GMT -5
I think the word stereotype is wrong. I agree with trev that the one liners gave far too little information and created 2 dimensional characters. If instead of a line it was a half page or a page of information about the combined history of x tribe and y tribe would it not have been better?
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Post by Dyslexic_fool on Sept 19, 2004 7:19:28 GMT -5
I think all three of us are singing the same tune, from the different Hymsheets, I mean I have nothing wrong with stereotypes, I just think that the way WoD, and some other systems went about it was simplistic, and they were basically trying to give people an idea of racial stereotypes, as others see them, and also giving an insight into how they see themselves in comparison with others, But for me they did not give enough information, or make it plain to some players that this was not a commandment on how to play the characters, it was a suggestion as to how they might view others not like them.
Stereotypes are not everything, they do, however infer the tribal, or racial view of other races and tribes as a whole, and therefore can be a good guide to exepted behaviour within that tribe and or group, and to play a character wildly utside those boundaries you will be an outcast to some degree among your own people if you ever make your feelings public.
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Post by Bogof on Sept 19, 2004 7:36:20 GMT -5
I agree, the more details you give about how a race or class function and are seen / see themselves, the more roleplaying hooks you give to players along with a proviso that this is a GENERAL idea for MOST of the race and that there are rebels in every race who run to their own tune.
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Post by Louise Karczmarz on Sept 19, 2004 8:01:33 GMT -5
Aye... there isn't a race I know of on this planet who all ascribe to one belief, it's unrealistic to think they would all follow the same beliefs even if they followed the same religion - you only have to look at christianity and the number of sects there are within that one religion!
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Post by MarkL on Sept 19, 2004 8:15:04 GMT -5
devils advocate: most stereotypes have some basis in truth.
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Post by Louise Karczmarz on Sept 20, 2004 17:27:51 GMT -5
When you take what any group of people splits down into, their religious groups, class level (lower, middle, upper rather than thief etc.. ), the subsects within their religions, the politicians they support, the school they attend, the race of their parents and peers..... there are so many stereotypes being shoved at them from different viewpoints about any other group that while a grain of truth might be in some of them, overall, it'd be a mountain of salt.
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Post by MarkL on Sept 20, 2004 21:25:55 GMT -5
would that be regular or sea salt? but yeah.. true enough.
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Post by Louise Karczmarz on Sept 23, 2004 8:03:47 GMT -5
Bah... you know what I mean
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